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Post by Vitamin K on Feb 18, 2017 15:00:55 GMT -5
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Feb 18, 2017 20:17:49 GMT -5
I think that I read somewhere that the profit should always match the investment... at the very least...
but even if it matched the investment... it doesn't seem worth it for the effort.
It would definitely be a labor of love VK.
However, I would plan to exceed sales expectations by 100%.
These types of numbers are admittedly not my strength, though.
Perhaps, double the profit... and we can use the proceeds for the coffers of the Pinewood Illuminati.
This way, when we see a worthwhile PWD related fund... we have a war chest to go to.
Just a thought.
At the next meeting... I will make a motion to have you elected Treasurer of the Pi.
Yep... That is it. On the Kickstrter page... it should state that a portion of the profits from this kit will be donated to PWD charities and the furthering of PWD in general...
or something like that.
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Post by Vitamin K on Feb 18, 2017 20:56:17 GMT -5
I think that I read somewhere that the profit should always match the investment... at the very least... but even if it matched the investment... it doesn't seem worth it for the effort. It would definitely be a labor of love VK. However, I would plan to exceed sales expectations by 100%. These types of numbers are admittedly not my strength, though. Perhaps, double the profit... and we can use the proceeds for the coffers of the Pinewood Illuminati. This way, when we see a worthwhile PWD related fund... we have a war chest to go to. Just a thought. At the next meeting... I will make a motion to have you elected Treasurer of the Pi. Yep... That is it. On the Kickstrter page... it should state that a portion of the profits from this kit will be donated to PWD charities and the furthering of PWD in general... or something like that. Well, I don't wanna call anything a charity if I haven't got it officially registered as such. I am happy to put it into the Vitamin K Pinewood Derby research fund, though.  I have considered nudging the asking price up a little bit, though. Right now, if I sell 50 kits at 15 bucks a pop, I stand to make about a hundred bucks...which would probably end up paying for stuff like a pipette tool to measure out oil and wax and suchlike. If I sell 100 kits at the same price, the take home is about 300 bucks, which is a bit nicer. On the other hand, if I raise the asking price to 18 bucks, at 50 kits, the profit is 240. At 100 kits, the profit is over 500...which could go a long way towards a test track or lathe for research purposes.  On the other hand, it really is a labor of love. I'm looking to get quality stuff into as many hands as possible for as little as possible. I want Scout families to have an economical way to get into racing with oil. I want to shatter the myth that oil is too expensive and too messy. So, yeah. Decisions. Yay. |
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Feb 19, 2017 2:08:51 GMT -5
Ok... Now we are talking here.
$18 is a goddam steal for all that stuff!
It is a PITA to even track that stuff down, when you know what you are looking for!
I think that kit should sell for $22 plus shipping... That is still a gift price.
Just tell those mah-fahs that a portion of the proceeds will be going towards the first PWD house of ill repute.
That should suffice.
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Post by micro on Feb 19, 2017 7:55:14 GMT -5
Don't you need a ream of paper as I thought you were including MSDS on the products? And how far are you taking that... there is a MSDS for a Microbrush and pipe cleaners and just about everything out there. We need to be saved from ourselves.
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Post by Vitamin K on Feb 19, 2017 10:10:48 GMT -5
Don't you need a ream of paper as I thought you were including MSDS on the products? And how far are you taking that... there is a MSDS for a Microbrush and pipe cleaners and just about everything out there. We need to be saved from ourselves. Haha, this is true. I think what I will do is include a small sheet in each kit with the following: -Link to written instructions for axle/bore prep. -Link to video instructions for axle/bore prep. -Link to MSDS for any potentially hazardous substances (Krytox, Wax, Plastic Polish). |
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Feb 19, 2017 20:25:49 GMT -5
Those Microbrushes are a choking hazard!
Also... Do NOT put this tiny ziplock over your mouth and nose!
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Feb 20, 2017 1:09:51 GMT -5
Ok... Check it VK...
We compound the profits by investing in things like the Guinness Track... Then we sell that off at a profit 2 years from now...
OK.... Here is the best part.... If we get a big enough war chest...
Remember that house that Andy mentioned in a podcast.... That get all that hate mail and busted mailboxes?
Hey! It is centrally located!
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Post by gravitymafia on Feb 21, 2017 10:08:36 GMT -5
There are 17.6 ounces to a jug of krytox. There are 8 drams per ounce. 17.6 x 8 = 140.80 drams per jug Now I'm sure Glenn and his grasshopper are putting less than a dram in there little stopper bottles. John even said that he cuts his wich effectively creates more product through dilution. lets forget that and pull the simple math, 140.8 drams x $20 =$2816. That a one hell of a turn around. We cant blame Ole derby dud 4 hire for this, Oh no. We have to look at the Jewkes. Remember Glenn taught all his crooked ways to John. I bought a shitload of needle bottles for .26 cents a piece. (The spacewalker kind) I bought the black little carmex style containers for .36 cents a piece. novus 2 is .35 cents per ounce BF 300 is 1.25 per ounce. Tamiya swabs i can buy all day for .07 cents a piece. The fiber optic swabs .20 cents per swab. Krytox is $1.66 per dram. ( if you really put a full dram in the bottles ) So that blow hard DD4h isn't going to blow any smoke up my ass nor is that pasty skinned basement recluse, Glenn Jewkes. These guys are flat out full of shit and screwing people. |
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Post by gravitymafia on Feb 21, 2017 10:17:25 GMT -5
So stop and think about all the benefits of cutting the Krytox.
These vendors remind me of typical drug dealers. Cut the stash for more profit.
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Post by gravitymafia on Feb 21, 2017 10:20:58 GMT -5
If you go to the PWDracing shop in Rosemount you can get all the tools and supplies and track time for 30 bucks. If you don't want unlimited track time it is 20 for just making a car. Problem is I think it is hard to maintain a shop at that rate. I like the micromesh better than the regular sandpaper. I'd suggest the axles from the China Revel wheels so you do not need to remove the fins. Tungsten is a must too! If each pack bought a kit and shared it, I would think it would last for a few years for sure. Hmm, wonder how including Micromesh would affect the kit pricing. Probably not by more than a buck or so. Affordable tungsten for all is another nut that needs to be cracked. gravitymafia 's half-price fire sale is proof that the current prices folks pay are artificially inflated. Suspect that it's not happening at the vendor level, but at the supplier level. Disrupt the supply chain, and prices fall everywhere. Would be great to see more Scout teams able to afford tungsten without choking at the cost. Regarding the PWDracing shop...you don't know how badly I wish we had something like that near me. I visited the factory where the micro mesh is manufactured. They showed me all of there products. They have a product that is handier than the mesh. |
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Post by gravitymafia on Feb 21, 2017 10:32:28 GMT -5
If you want the kits to be competitive out of the gate wouldn't you need machined wheels and tungsten? You think you could get all that for $15? The wheels then pose a problem as different rules for different packs. What are your thoughts about what would be included in the kits? Well, wheels are probably one thing that I don't think there's any real way to disrupt the industry on. As far as I can tell, you're basically paying for time spent on a lathe by an operator, and there's no way that I know of to work around that. I would LOVE to see an inexpensive tool to allow practical self-working of wheels. Like, DW's wheel shaver, but actually usable. If anybody has ideas about that, I'm all ears. For tungsten, I was actually thinking that a second kickstarter could be created to front-load enough funds to bulk buy enough tungsten to sell it at the rates that gravitymafia was unloading it for...or cheaper. I think it's pretty apparent that tungsten prices are an artificial markup, and there's no reason that needs to continue. Truing up wheels is not hard or time consuming like the vendors want you to think. I can true a set in about 5 minutes or less. I should make a video of this to prove it. |
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Post by The Zeebzob on Feb 21, 2017 10:51:03 GMT -5
There are 17.6 ounces to a jug of krytox. There are 8 drams per ounce. 17.6 x 8 = 140.80 drams per jug Now I'm sure Glenn and his grasshopper are putting less than a dram in there little stopper bottles. John even said that he cuts his wich effectively creates more product through dilution. lets forget that and pull the simple math, 140.8 drams x $20 =$2816. That a one hell of a turn around. We cant blame Ole derby dud 4 hire for this, Oh no. We have to look at the Jewkes. Remember Glenn taught all his crooked ways to John. I bought a shitload of needle bottles for .26 cents a piece. (The spacewalker kind) I bought the black little carmex style containers for .36 cents a piece. novus 2 is .35 cents per ounce BF 300 is 1.25 per ounce. Tamiya swabs i can buy all day for .07 cents a piece. The fiber optic swabs .20 cents per swab. Krytox is $1.66 per dram. ( if you really put a full dram in the bottles ) So that blow hard DD4h isn't going to blow any smoke up my ass nor is that pasty skinned basement recluse, Glenn Jewkes. These guys are flat out full of shit and screwing people. Dang! I bought a 12 x 12 piece of Plexiglas for $7.84. I get roughly 100 Unlimited wheel blanks out of it. I had sold wheels sets for $60 So that's $.07 each for me, $20 to the sap that buys them. Man, I'm an asshole. |
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Post by Vitamin K on Feb 21, 2017 11:36:30 GMT -5
Dang! I bought a 12 x 12 piece of Plexiglas for $7.84. I get roughly 100 Unlimited wheel blanks out of it. I had sold wheels sets for $60 So that's $.07 each for me, $20 to the sap that buys them. Man, I'm an asshole. So I mean, I'm not angry at anybody for selling things at prices that people will buy at. If people are willing to pay a price, an entrepreneur shouldn't feel bad about letting the market dictate the price. But, on the reverse side of the coin, I feel absolutely NO compunction about looking to offer cheaper alternatives. If you find that somebody's able to undercut your prices, it means that the market is responding to your overpricing. Yay capitalism. Regarding the price of wheels, like I said, that's primarily operator time you're paying for, as opposed to raw material. If you spend 30 minutes cutting a set of wheels, 60 bucks is not an exorbitant amount of money to ask for them. Time has a price. |
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Post by micro on Feb 21, 2017 12:03:27 GMT -5
There are 17.6 ounces to a jug of krytox. There are 8 drams per ounce. 17.6 x 8 = 140.80 drams per jug Now I'm sure Glenn and his grasshopper are putting less than a dram in there little stopper bottles. John even said that he cuts his wich effectively creates more product through dilution. lets forget that and pull the simple math, 140.8 drams x $20 =$2816. That a one hell of a turn around. We cant blame Ole derby dud 4 hire for this, Oh no. We have to look at the Jewkes. Remember Glenn taught all his crooked ways to John. I bought a shitload of needle bottles for .26 cents a piece. (The spacewalker kind) I bought the black little carmex style containers for .36 cents a piece. novus 2 is .35 cents per ounce BF 300 is 1.25 per ounce. Tamiya swabs i can buy all day for .07 cents a piece. The fiber optic swabs .20 cents per swab. Krytox is $1.66 per dram. ( if you really put a full dram in the bottles ) So that blow hard DD4h isn't going to blow any smoke up my ass nor is that pasty skinned basement recluse, Glenn Jewkes. These guys are flat out full of shit and screwing people. Dang! I bought a 12 x 12 piece of Plexiglas for $7.84. I get roughly 100 Unlimited wheel blanks out of it. I had sold wheels sets for $60 So that's $.07 each for me, $20 to the sap that buys them. Man, I'm an asshole. I think that the market forces have already worked as I seem to recall a vendor selling unlimited wheels for $90 not too long ago. |
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