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Post by Professor Moriarty on Jul 22, 2017 4:44:46 GMT -5
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Jul 22, 2017 4:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by Chuy on Jul 22, 2017 10:07:25 GMT -5
That's starting to look like my white test car
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Post by Eagle on Feb 21, 2018 0:33:46 GMT -5
Is this an amphibious car? sled? Where are the completed pics?
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Post by Eagle on Jun 11, 2018 17:28:03 GMT -5
So, I have to confess when I received Riverboat Gambler I wasn’t sure if it was a challenge or a test. Should I complete it, or keep it as is? Would it be a good idea to ask the master builder endless questions or make my own decisions as to what to do next?
Since my current build went horribly wrong, and was totaled (in its final stages) I've decided to do my best to build it with my own thoughts and improvements.
So, what I choose to do is with no prior consultation and any discussion here on my part is simply a small reflection of how my mind works and what I am planning on. It may or may not end up being anything like what was originally envisioned, but without instruction it’s a blank canvas with a base coat on it. So, here we go.
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Post by Eagle on Jun 11, 2018 17:34:48 GMT -5
So, I have to confess when I received Riverboat Gambler I wasn’t sure if it was a challenge or a test. Should I complete it, or keep it as is? Would it be a good idea to ask the master builder endless questions or make my own decisions as to what to do next? Since my current build went horribly wrong, and was totaled (in its final stages) I've decided to do my best to build it with my own thoughts and improvements. So, what I choose to do is with no prior consultation and any discussion here on my part is simply a small reflection of how my mind works and what I am planning on. It may or may not end up being anything like what was originally envisioned, but without instruction it’s a blank canvas with a base coat on it. So, here we go.
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Jun 11, 2018 18:27:06 GMT -5
Ok... I applaud you for taking up the challenge!
Just my personal input here.
That car is made almost entriely from balsa with the exception of the axle spars...
The Concept was to make one of those big ole boats that fellas like CamCar used to run and DWS is now doing so well with.
The main drawback with a riverboat IMHO is that there is so much weight with all of that extra material... hence the balsa body..
However... those big ole pontoons also serve a hidden purpose in that they add structure... so maybe this design could actually even be lighter than a typical speedboat if done right.
I suggest you glue a row of cubes behind the axle spar to keep it in place... be sure to weigh them exactly and write it down before gluing in..
Then you can lol off that stick I left on the rear bumper...
Then you can continue to poke holes in the coffered body like I started to do... so that all the way up to the nose and leave the skeleton framework like I started to do... see where you are at with weight...
Now then... this is where it gets fun...
Treat the outsides of those pontoons like you would a pine body... either punch holes or hollow them out leaving a framework to stretch a cover over...
Try to make it a nice design ... it could be just holes drilled to a specific depth but create a nice pattern with them...
Inset the front wheel because I think that I neglected that... and slim down the trailing fender behind the front wheel so it doesn’t catch any air ... and I bet you might be around 9g with the whole damn thing after the cover is on!
Just my 2 cents though...
Have fun with it and let your imagination wander.
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Post by coffinnailracing on Jun 11, 2018 21:11:08 GMT -5
I'm in the process of trying a "Wood Hardner" on my balsa fenders. IF it works well, this car might benefit from it. I don't know for sure, but I suppect a one piece wrap might have too much tension for balsa.
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Jun 11, 2018 23:12:10 GMT -5
I'm in the process of trying a "Wood Hardner" on my balsa fenders. IF it works well, this car might benefit from it. I don't know for sure, but I suppect a one piece wrap might have too much tension for balsa. Yes... I don’t like those shrink wrap things... always makes me nervous though I am interested in Chuy’s tightening of clear packing tape with a heat gun... I think that CA glue is good for putting a shell on balsa without adding excessive weight... for a cover... I prefer something with a sticky back and enough tensile strength to gap the framework without wrinkles... though i I am curious about these paper kites that are made with dope. That is basically how how I am picturing this thing... like a paper box kite.
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Post by coffinnailracing on Jun 12, 2018 0:07:09 GMT -5
I'm in the process of trying a "Wood Hardner" on my balsa fenders. IF it works well, this car might benefit from it. I don't know for sure, but I suppect a one piece wrap might have too much tension for balsa. Yes... I don’t like those shrink wrap things... always makes me nervous though I am interested in Chuy’s tightening of clear packing tape with a heat gun... I think that CA glue is good for putting a shell on balsa without adding excessive weight... for a cover... I prefer something with a sticky back and enough tensile strength to gap the framework without wrinkles... though i I am curious about these paper kites that are made with dope. That is basically how how I am picturing this thing... like a paper box kite. Balsa wood model planes used to be covered in paper of some type then Doped, most use a plastic film now I think. CA Glue works and is pretty hard and hard to sand smooth too. The Wood Hardener is a Resin and seems to sand pretty easy, not sure yet if it's as stiff as the CA
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Post by Eagle on Jun 12, 2018 0:21:14 GMT -5
Like any inquisitive PWD mind I had to thoroughly inspect the car. I had to see what I did and did not see in the build compared to my current knowledge. The first thing that I noticed was that except for the axle spurs this car was entirely made out of balsa. This was not going to be an easy build/completion no matter what. And, even once completed it was going to be delicate. The next thing I noticed was there had already been some breakage and repairs. And there were some hairline fractures that didn’t appear to be repaired. There is the obvious. There are two cut outs/windows. Why not 4? Am I brave enough to cut two more. Or, is that area requiring a top for structural integrity? I also noticed that the top of one fender was flat. While the other tapered down towards the rear. The bottoms of the fenders did not appear to be machined like the body. And, one of them was clearanced quite a bit higher than the other. Or, it looked more like, the shorter side had sustained some damage. I assume the car is over 7” to allow weight to be glued in before shaving off the rear (for strength). Then there were the things I did not understand. Why was there no inset on the DRFW? Why was the fender not shaped for the DRFW to be angled out on top? Then there is this faint sketch of what looks like drawn on cut outs on the side of one fender. And, one fender extends further over the rear wheel than the other and is straight. Where the other is angled and shorter. My guess is that side wore thin. But, I like symmetrical. And, what if anything had been done to give the balsa some strength? This thin balsa body supporting these big bulky fenders (being handled by my big old hands and hand tools) was going to need some fortification to survive. Gotta decide whether to add or take away, or both. This should be interesting to say the least.
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Jun 12, 2018 7:35:06 GMT -5
Like any inquisitive PWD mind I had to thoroughly inspect the car. I had to see what I did and did not see in the build compared to my current knowledge. The first thing that I noticed was that except for the axle spurs this car was entirely made out of balsa. This was not going to be an easy build/completion no matter what. And, even once completed it was going to be delicate. The next thing I noticed was there had already been some breakage and repairs. And there were some hairline fractures that didn’t appear to be repaired. There is the obvious. There are two cut outs/windows. Why not 4? Am I brave enough to cut two more. Or, is that area requiring a top for structural integrity? I also noticed that the top of one fender was flat. While the other tapered down towards the rear. The bottoms of the fenders did not appear to be machined like the body. And, one of them was clearanced quite a bit higher than the other. Or, it looked more like, the shorter side had sustained some damage. I assume the car is over 7” to allow weight to be glued in before shaving off the rear (for strength). Then there were the things I did not understand. Why was there no inset on the DRFW? Why was the fender not shaped for the DRFW to be angled out on top? Then there is this faint sketch of what looks like drawn on cut outs on the side of one fender. And, one fender extends further over the rear wheel than the other and is straight. Where the other is angled and shorter. My guess is that side wore thin. But, I like symmetrical. And, what if anything had been done to give the balsa some strength? This thin balsa body supporting these big bulky fenders (being handled by my big old hands and hand tools) was going to need some fortification to survive. Gotta decide whether to add or take away, or both. This should be interesting to say the least. Eagle, I am famous for starting projects and never finishing them... so I have to admit that I am really enjoying this. We should do this more often. If you want to make it a little easier on yourself, you may want to cut strips of Foamcore just a hair under 1.75” wide and double stick tape them together... then use masking tape to stick them above and below the car to give it reinforcement during handling and operations. Stack them up so that they reach higher and lower than the fenders and so you can remove them individually to work on different areas of the car.
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Post by Eagle on Jun 12, 2018 11:52:39 GMT -5
And, that is the brilliance of working with a master builder. That little nugget is worth the whole exercise. I likely would have never thought of that on my own.
Anytime Joe! If you send two I’ll likely build them both differently. And, both may be completely different then how you originally intended.
It’s not to be contrary. I love to learn and test things. And, I think you might take away a different perspective and way of looking at things as well.
It might just be you and I on this one. I will likely be done with this build before others chime in. Not sure if others are on vacation or what. But, this is the type of thing I love about this forum.
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Post by coffinnailracing on Jun 12, 2018 12:02:37 GMT -5
I'm interested in seeing where it goes
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Post by Eagle on Jun 12, 2018 17:22:43 GMT -5
So, even though Joe and I like the unfinished wood look, I do not see how I am going to be able to smooth out the balsa, add balsa to the bottom and front of one side, extend the top rear of one fender so that they match and for me add built in inner fenders/shields without allowing for body work and paint. In addition that light penciling on the side will not sand out. So this car will be painted. So, I am going to add weight. Hopefully, I will be able to take some out to balance out what I add. And/or the better aero makes up for the added weight. Here are some pictures with the added balsa. I tapered the top rear of the other fender. So, they both match tapering down from the front to the rear. You can also see where I inset the axle spar and just where the wheel turns in. There is not enough body to do any more. But, I think this will work. I also tapered the nose of each fender on the inside.
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