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Post by Ember on Apr 30, 2020 7:28:46 GMT -5
I agree , I believe tall wheels are more forgiving than short wheels, from build errors, to lube errors, to flaws in the wheels themselves. IMO much of that comes from the fact that they have about six less rotations around the axle than a short wheel. As an example, let's say there is a scratch or flaw in the bore, that flaw has to spin around the axle six more times on the short wheel, than the tall wheel. I feel the added MOI of a tall wheel acts like a heavy flywheel, once spinning, it wants to keep spinning. There is no debate that a short wheel is quicker than a tall wheel, but is it faster? A whippet is quicker than a Greyhound, but it's not faster. I know there has been speculation and formulas posted that it would take a very long distance for a tall wheel to run down a short wheel, but from everything I've tested that just hasn't been the case. My conundrum is, how does one argue with the success of someone like DWS , who is apparently running short wheels.  |
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Post by Eagle on Apr 30, 2020 10:49:21 GMT -5
You would lose the argument. But, not because of tall vs short. It is the combination of things done that is winning. Remember everything effects everything else on these little cars.
The combination of things is what makes the difference. Think AP at MOTM 2018 in Unlimited. He hadn't won a race. He had done all kinds of things in plastic. Everyone said plastic couldn't win.
He bought a Goatboy car, copied everything on the body, took everything off Goatboys winning car, and won. But, Goatboy comes back multiple times and still beats everyone.
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Post by oobigfish on Apr 30, 2020 21:35:15 GMT -5
My cars were delivered a day earlier than expected via FedEx. Guess that trip to Tennessee didn’t delay the delivery. Good luck all!
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Post by Eagle on Apr 30, 2020 23:16:23 GMT -5
My cars were delivered a day earlier than expected via FedEx. Guess that trip to Tennessee didn’t delay the delivery. Good luck all! Wes, when FedEx was proposed in business school they told Fred Smith it would never work. They thought the idea of flying all packages to one hub was a horrible idea. They said it would never work. Not only does it work, it got your package there ahead of schedule. |
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Post by 358tracing on Apr 30, 2020 23:36:52 GMT -5
Mine made it no problem also. I am gonna double down on my prediction of 2.94x for the spec trucks. Body is less aerodynamic and axles are smaller than basx but wheel are way lighter so I feel at least as good as the faster basx cars. Almost 1g difference in wheel weight can make a big difference. The oil MA is a tough call since the rules allow removal of the inner lettering. If the current top dogs switched to those wheels they could be really fast. I don't know how many took advantage of that rule but I did not.
Scott
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Post by Cherokee Chuck on May 1, 2020 0:10:59 GMT -5
Fedex got me there.....
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Post by Professor Moriarty on May 3, 2020 14:52:25 GMT -5
I shouted out to Crashenburn when I saw the lineup of SR cars... so he was all stoked about that... very curious where all of those SR cars came from... outta the woodwork.
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Post by Ember on May 3, 2020 19:40:12 GMT -5
I have to wonder why the fastest racers out there chose not to race in the truck spec race, especially knowing they were going to send cars in for the CSR race the same weekend. I'm thinking maybe the spec axle and wheel combo might negate any advantage they have figured out with aftermarket axles and BSA wheels.
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Post by Cherokee Chuck on May 3, 2020 21:00:41 GMT -5
Speaking as a BASX / Unlimited guy I dont find the class interesting enough for me to put in the effort while still learning my main classes. I dont compete against other racers as much as I am competing with myself and my attempts to match and surpass the times set by other racers. I dont care what anyone is necessarily using....I am trying to increase speeds using technigues and pure tuning skills I continually learn.
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Post by Ember on May 3, 2020 22:17:37 GMT -5
In my view the truck spec class is very similar to BASX , with everyone using the same shape body, same weight wheels, no aero...etc. BASX is probably the single most popular class due to its simplicity and ease of build. So I have to ask...where were the top BASX players who usually head the class? DWS, HurriCrane, Eastman, Mojo? These guys love to race,they all race BASX, and they like to support the league when given the chance, so why no truck builds?
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Post by stumpm2 on May 4, 2020 9:21:22 GMT -5
In my view the truck spec class is very similar to BASX , with everyone using the same shape body, same weight wheels, no aero...etc. BASX is probably the single most popular class due to its simplicity and ease of build. So I have to ask...where were the top BASX players who usually head the class? DWS, HurriCrane, Eastman, Mojo? These guys love to race,they all race BASX, and they like to support the league when given the chance, so why no truck builds? Good question. I was expecting to see more trucks especially with as many street rods that showed up. I wish would have been able to set my track up and tune a little bit on my truck. I think I left a fair amount of speed on the table not being able to run it. |
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Post by 358tracing on May 4, 2020 11:37:22 GMT -5
Using inferior axles means the compromises for stability hurt the speed are even then they will still wanna wiggle. To me the spec truck class is more like box stock. None of those guys support box stock either.
Scott
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Post by mrb on May 6, 2020 12:37:35 GMT -5
In my view the truck spec class is very similar to BASX , with everyone using the same shape body, same weight wheels, no aero...etc. BASX is probably the single most popular class due to its simplicity and ease of build. So I have to ask...where were the top BASX players who usually head the class? DWS, HurriCrane, Eastman, Mojo? These guys love to race,they all race BASX, and they like to support the league when given the chance, so why no truck builds? Good question. I was expecting to see more trucks especially with as many street rods that showed up. I wish would have been able to set my track up and tune a little bit on my truck. I think I left a fair amount of speed on the table not being able to run it. Well... Mr.B. represented with his Spec Truck. It didn't even finish in last place. I'll be putting the Truck away now. I think most racers are more interested in racing the classes that count towards the Man of the Mountain finals than racing a one time fun class. I agree that BASX is probably the single most popular class due to its simplicity and ease of build. Not to change the topic, it makes me wonder why more guys don't race in the Eliminator class. The only difference from a BASX car is that the drill is straight, with .084" axles, 3 razor wheels and a guide pin. Although before the popularity of the smaller diameter axles we used .091" axles. Time to start prepping a BASX car for the May APR race. |
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Post by Ember on May 8, 2020 14:21:57 GMT -5
Well I got my cars back today , and after 10 long days journeying across the country, they held up extremely well. They are both in great shape, and only lost about .010 in speed. Even though my cars didn't make it there in time, Joel added in a CVS ribbon. You can't beat that, I really admire the thoughtfulness ! For kicks I added some LIAB to the wheels, and they both ran faster than they ever have ! Attachments:
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Post by Professor Moriarty on May 8, 2020 22:46:44 GMT -5
I’ll tell ya the thing that what’ve been even more thoughtful...
How about a set of wheels?!
I mean C’mon man!
Axles?
That guy has to start taking care of the fellas that take care of him!
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