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Post by Vitamin K on May 4, 2017 10:13:00 GMT -5
Arrived yesterday, so you have to give props to Greg and crew for getting the boxes back in the mail quickly. It was packed a little awkwardly, but I suspect that has more to do with my non-standard packaging than deliberate carelessness. Nothing's broke, at least. I halfway regret not having Greg send it to MNOP instead of back to me, just to see how it would do on Joel's track in the BASX AM class. It ran an average of 2.957 on the 6-laner at Mid-Ams. Is anybody interested in the build details? I'm happy to describe how it was thrown together (almost literally), and maybe y'all could make suggestions for next time I build a BASX-class car.
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Post by Crash Enburn on May 4, 2017 10:33:21 GMT -5
I would like to go down that rabbit hole.
We can send in our Basico cars to Nipwordle for June.
Congrats on sub-3!
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Post by micro on May 4, 2017 11:06:59 GMT -5
VK- Thanks for letting me beat you by just a little bit! Eric I may need some insight on your prep process. You could help me gain a couple of hundredths. Good Job!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 11:07:29 GMT -5
I would like to go down that rabbit hole. We can send in our Basico cars to Nipwordle for June. Congrats on sub-3! Nipwordle, That freaking cracks me up!! Let's hear the story VK.
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Post by Crash Enburn on May 4, 2017 11:28:47 GMT -5
VK- Thanks for letting me beat you by just a little bit! Eric I may need some insight on your prep process. You could help me gain a couple of hundredths. Good Job! Pro-tip: I wanted to have this discussion because my prep process is crap and I want to improve it by glomming onto everyone else's methods. My plan for this and last weekend's races were to mimic the prep process seen in the DD Black Ice video using the mystery gunk I got from Skippy. ... Or were you referring to some other Eric that is not me that participated in the MAs?
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Post by micro on May 4, 2017 11:52:19 GMT -5
Your last name starts with H and your car was .02 faster than mine in the BASX? Maybe I do need to use polish.
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Post by Crash Enburn on May 4, 2017 11:54:02 GMT -5
Sorry, Jefe. That's not me. I failed to submit to MAs or to Nipwordle this go round. Last name is Lanam, but I race under Crash Enburn.
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Post by Vitamin K on May 4, 2017 12:04:17 GMT -5
I would like to go down that rabbit hole. We can send in our Basico cars to Nipwordle for June. Congrats on sub-3! Well, okay then buckeroos! Saddle up for storytime! So to begin with, I wasn't even gonna send in at first. Never liked MA Scout rules, and I figured, eh, Greg's got enough high profile guys racing that it doesn't matter if a dude like me supports his efforts or not. But then I noticed the snub his Pro division was getting from all of the Halliburton loyalists, so I felt like I needed to send something in, just to show a little love. So I decided to raid my parts to see if I could find enough stuff to put a build together. Wheels: I was initially just going to use heavy stock wheels, but then I remembered I had a bag of wheels that Joel had sent me a long time ago when I needed some example wheels to give to our District inspections guy for comparison. He'd also sent me some race-quality wheels (2g and 2.4g, among others) so I figured I should use some of those. Unfortunately, I was only able to find two wheels that were at 2.4g. The others were like 2.35 or something. I was tempted, but I decided to stick to the letter of the rules. I took the two 2.4gs for the rears and used a stock wheel for the DFW wheel (and obviously another stock wheel for the raised one). I did remove the double-step on the stock wheel with my Derbyworx hub shaver tool. I polished the wheel bores with Novus 2 on a Tamiya swab (87106) followed by a final buff with a fluffy pipe cleaner. I didn't do any specific prep to the inner or the outer hubs. Axles: Since I race Box Stock, I didn't have any aftermarket axles onhand. I did, however, have some extra Awana axles onhand. So I grabbed three of these, cut K-house slots into the top and then grooved and beveled them in my drill press. I polished the axles with wet sandpaper, starting at 1k and working up in .5k increments to 3k. I also hit them with Brasso for the final polish. One of the axles, I bent (with pliers and a wood block) 3 degrees for the DFW. Body:
A friend (Patrick Racing) had sent me a laser cut basswood body (5" wheelbase) a long time ago, and I figured this was as good a time as any to use it. I discovered, however, that he'd drilled the rears straight in it (knowing my obsession with bent axles), and the DFW straight as well. As it was, micro had EXTREMELY generously hooked me up with a slightly blemished (though 100% functional) drill jig, so I decided that I should go ahead and redrill the holes in the body. Filled 'em with a toothpick and epoxy and redrilled the rears. The body actually cracked the first time (I suspect the rear support structure was too brittle and I was pushing too hard with the drill). I had to glue up the body (with some support strips of birch plywood around the rear axle block) and refill the holes. After this, I was able to drill the rears, and it worked perfectly. To accommodate the fat Awana axles, I 'chased' the holes with a 3/32" bit, taking car to let the holes lead the drill bit, as opposed to forcing a path. For the DFW, I drilled this on the drill press, with a block-and-spacer to set the DFW axle at 7 degrees of positive camber. The body had recesses for slide guides, and I had some hard black plastic (Mylar?) that Patrick had provided along with the body. I drilled these with a slightly larger hole than the axle hole, then affixed them into the side of the body with superglue gel. For ballast, it turned out I had a tungsten shortage. Figuring that the tungsten was most important in the rear, I put two rows of six behind the rear axle. The rest of the weight I made up with some 1/4" tall lead bars that I'd poured a long time ago. It didn't take up too much more space than the lead would have, though I wasn't able to bias the weight towards the DFW much. For the sake of curiosity, the weight on each wheel is as follows: DFW (Right front): .58oz, Right Rear: 1.88oz, Left Rear: 2.48oz. The lead, I secured into place with a dab of superglue. The tungsten I just wrapped around with foil tape. Prep: I was able finally carve out time for prep...the evening before the car had to be mailed out. That meant that if I applied a coat of wax (I have some Liquid Glass, and a very small amount of Blackfire), it wouldn't have time to fully cure before I had to insert the axles. In light of that, I decided to go with Pony Express' last minute Max-Pro option. I sprayed the axles with Max Pro, shook them and put them under a paper bowl to dry for a few minutes. Then I also sprayed a small amount of Max-Pro into another bowl and let that sit (covered loosely) for about 15 minutes. Then I used a fresh Tamiya swab to dip into the pooled Max-Pro and I used this to coat the inside of the wheel bores and the inner and outer hubs. I let this dry for about half an hour (I think...it was very late by that point). For oil, I used a single drop of Maximum Velocity's Krytox oil on each axle, and swiped off any excess with a tiny strip of paper before inserting into the wheel bore, giving it a spin and eyeballing the gap. Tuning:For the raised wheel, I used a bent BSA axle and aligned the wheel according to Ca$h Racing's recommendation. I have it on good authority that proper position of the raised wheel can buy you a few thousandths. For the DFW, I pulled out my 4' tuning board and set it to about 5.5" of drift, anticipating a lot of wind on the six lane track. Anything I leave out? Anything jump out as "oh, you could have totally gained some speed doing X, Y or Z"?
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Post by micro on May 4, 2017 12:07:55 GMT -5
Sorry, Jefe. That's not me. I failed to submit to MAs or to Nipwordle this go round. Last name is Lanam, but I race under Crash Enburn. Damnit! That's right. I've got too many racers names in my head with the jig and the info with the names is at home. I took a shot and look like an idiot. Per usual.
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Post by Crash Enburn on May 4, 2017 13:40:59 GMT -5
VK - First, I notice a complete lack of bent rear axles. WTH, man?! You've got a reputation to uphold! Okay, now that I've got that out of my system... What would you do differently with more time? Wheels: Is the only polishing you do to your wheels the Novus 2? Traditionally, I'd done toothpaste, rinse, Novus 2, and buff. Now I have some Legends (I believe), and have added that to the prep. In reading your missive, I've realized that I need to allow for much more cure time on it. Like I said to Micro when he was hoping to get *my* secrets (ha!), I need to be much more diligent in my wheel prep. I think that a hub and wheel edge polish is in order for the BASX cars. Axles: I have pretty much the exact same prep. I use a narrow file to put in the axle groove first, though. And, as I'm typing, I wonder if I'd be better served to put in the K-House groove in before polishing. Once polished, I punch them into a cardboard box and spray with Jig. Body: Not much to say, there. I need to get another pin vise, as my own does not hold a #43 or #44 bit. It'll hold tiny, tiny bits, or ones that are significantly larger than our pinewood bits. May be lack of understanding on my part. I have #43 and #44 bits because of the Pinewood Derby and the AWANA Grand Prix. I used the #43 for AWANA axles. My memory of it was it was too big for PWD axles, and needed to be reamed out similarly to PWD Axles and the #44 bit. It's been a few years since I built an AWANA car or used the axles (I discovered a small stash a couple months ago, so they'll be put to use soon) Also, I'm really getting confused on rule sets now. The mystery washers you used are legal for BASX? BS? I was surprised when I read you used them as I thought they were verboten. I think we need to put a spreadsheet together to detail the rules for the classes (fenders allowed, shields allowed [between hub and body?], wheel weights, etc.). I really need more info on and a supply of the washers... Weight: Didn't you buy a pound of tungsten recently? Adding wheel weights will help condense the weight in your car (especially when using lead). I just cannot remember which classes they are legal in now... Oil: You took off some of the oil? I've only ever added a drop to the axle, then carefully slid it into the wheel. I'm kinda thinking we should all have a Skype prep-party...
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Post by Vitamin K on May 4, 2017 14:00:33 GMT -5
VK - First, I notice a complete lack of bent rear axles. WTH, man?! You've got a reputation to uphold! Okay, now that I've got that out of my system... What would you do differently with more time? Wheels: Is the only polishing you do to your wheels the Novus 2? Traditionally, I'd done toothpaste, rinse, Novus 2, and buff. Now I have some Legends (I believe), and have added that to the prep. In reading your missive, I've realized that I need to allow for much more cure time on it. Like I said to Micro when he was hoping to get *my* secrets (ha!), I need to be much more diligent in my wheel prep. I think that a hub and wheel edge polish is in order for the BASX cars. Axles: I have pretty much the exact same prep. I use a narrow file to put in the axle groove first, though. And, as I'm typing, I wonder if I'd be better served to put in the K-House groove in before polishing. Once polished, I punch them into a cardboard box and spray with Jig. Body: Not much to say, there. I need to get another pin vise, as my own does not hold a #43 or #44 bit. It'll hold tiny, tiny bits, or ones that are significantly larger than our pinewood bits. May be lack of understanding on my part. I have #43 and #44 bits because of the Pinewood Derby and the AWANA Grand Prix. I used the #43 for AWANA axles. My memory of it was it was too big for PWD axles, and needed to be reamed out similarly to PWD Axles and the #44 bit. It's been a few years since I built an AWANA car or used the axles (I discovered a small stash a couple months ago, so they'll be put to use soon) Also, I'm really getting confused on rule sets now. The mystery washers you used are legal for BASX? BS? I was surprised when I read you used them as I thought they were verboten. I think we need to put a spreadsheet together to detail the rules for the classes (fenders allowed, shields allowed [between hub and body?], wheel weights, etc.). I really need more info on and a supply of the washers... Weight: Didn't you buy a pound of tungsten recently? Adding wheel weights will help condense the weight in your car (especially when using lead). I just cannot remember which classes they are legal in now... Oil: You took off some of the oil? I've only ever added a drop to the axle, then carefully slid it into the wheel. I'm kinda thinking we should all have a Skype prep-party... My romance with bent axles is not dead. For Box Stock, I imagine I'll continue to use them. For higher classes, though, where thicker, straighter, harder axles are permitted, bending becomes less attractive if I have a drilled solution. I've tried #43 holes with Awana axles, and there's way too much forcing involved to get them in, from my experience. Actually, a #43 usually holds a BSA axle fairly well (a #44 requires some relaxing of the hole first). I agree that more care to polishing would have been in order. I've done the toothpaste followed by Novus in the past. This time I was rushing pretty hard. One of these days, I'd like to get some kind of data in regard to how fine a polish Novus 2 is compared to say, Toothpaste or Microgloss. Another option might be to try the full Novus 3-2-1 process. Also I suspect that polish to the hubs and inner DFW edges is important. Regarding washers and slide guides, here's the verbiage from MNOP (I'm assuming MA rules follow suit...hope I didn't run an illegal car!) I did indeed purchase a pound of tungsten. I also had to assist my kids in building a total of 5 different cars between Scout and Awana races. I need to "rob" some tungsten back from their cars, but they are persnickety about it, so it'll have to happen on the sly. In the meantime, dad is having to scrounge whatever he can find... For oil, yeah, I do wick away excess oil. My theory on oil is that you really just want the smallest film there. Anything more is too much. A prep-party is only valid until one of us starts winning. Then that person becomes incredibly secretive and paranoid and refuses to answer any questions whatsoever about prep processes. Also, Skype sucks (for people like me who run Linux). Maybe we could do Zoom.
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Post by Crash Enburn on May 4, 2017 16:33:39 GMT -5
What class is that rule from? I looked at the BASX rules on Nipwordle dot com, and there was no mention of the washers there. Was this from the rules on the Nipwordle forums, or is it from the Box Stock rule set?
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