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Post by Bracket Also on Aug 22, 2017 10:29:30 GMT -5
Checking over a glass plate seems pretty useful, I might want a brighter light and a slightly frosted glass to cut the glare though. EDIT; Uh, what happened to the video that was just above this post a minute ago? It be gone! Sorry, I had posted it in the wrong location and moved it. I guess what I don't get is that Micro has demonstrated the accuracy of his jig using a similar test to Dale's. All the extra work seems unnecessary to me, but maybe there are more variables that I don't understand. I suppose it is possible that Dale drills his cars with some amount of intentional toe when flat? Perhaps to compensate for an abnormally high or low front drill? I noticed that he didn't show a view straight down over the gage pin when he checked it and pronounced it near perfect. Don't want to start any conspiracy talk, perhaps he's just stuck in his ways so he still drills with the block because he's comfortable and successful with the process. |
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Post by micro on Aug 22, 2017 11:53:22 GMT -5
I suppose it is possible that Dale drills his cars with some amount of intentional toe when flat? Perhaps to compensate for an abnormally high or low front drill? I noticed that he didn't show a view straight down over the gage pin when he checked it and pronounced it near perfect. Don't want to start any conspiracy talk, perhaps he's just stuck in his ways so he still drills with the block because he's comfortable and successful with the process. I think he is stuck in his ways, but I have no idea. At least he finds is good for something. LOL. I guess what I don't get is that Micro has demonstrated the accuracy of his jig using a similar test to Dale's. All the extra work seems unnecessary to me, but maybe there are more variables that I don't understand. My test is not similar at all to what Dale shows. His test demonstrates nothing other than that the pins might be at a 90 degree to the drill block he is using. It shows nothing in the front to back position of each pin nor if they are directly parallel from each other. |
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Post by Vitamin K on Aug 22, 2017 12:05:32 GMT -5
I suppose it is possible that Dale drills his cars with some amount of intentional toe when flat? Perhaps to compensate for an abnormally high or low front drill? I noticed that he didn't show a view straight down over the gage pin when he checked it and pronounced it near perfect. Don't want to start any conspiracy talk, perhaps he's just stuck in his ways so he still drills with the block because he's comfortable and successful with the process. I think he is stuck in his ways, but I have no idea. At least he finds is good for something. LOL. I guess what I don't get is that Micro has demonstrated the accuracy of his jig using a similar test to Dale's. All the extra work seems unnecessary to me, but maybe there are more variables that I don't understand. My test is not similar at all to what Dale shows. His test demonstrates nothing other than that the pins might be at a 90 degree to the drill block he is using. It shows nothing in the front to back position of each pin nor if they are directly parallel from each other. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think all of Dale's tests would pass just fine if he drilled with the jig as opposed to bothering with the Silver Bullet and the press. Although, of course, you can only test in the Silver Bullet if you drill with the Silver Bullet... |
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Aug 22, 2017 23:12:11 GMT -5
He used to use the Pro Body Jig in the same way... as I am sure some may be aware...
He probably wants there to be some mystery as to how he builds such amazing cars.
A magician never reveals his tricks.
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Post by jspearm1983 on Sept 16, 2017 19:01:28 GMT -5
I'm curious why everyone uses a pin vise to drill instead of a power drill.
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Post by jspearm1983 on Sept 16, 2017 19:05:28 GMT -5
I'm also curious how one would go about removing a broken off, carbide drill bit from the jig and body when it's broken off down in the bushing and engaged into the body about 3/8ths of an inch. Asking for a friend. 😥
UPDATE: I got some tweeserman needle nose tweezers and pulled it out. The tweezers are ruined, but I think the body is saved.
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Post by micro on Sept 16, 2017 19:10:37 GMT -5
Maybe so you don't break off a drill bit in the Jig? The answer would be that you have more control and can be more accurate. If your friend can't get the broken off bit out send it back to me and I will get it out and repair any damage done.
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Post by Chuy on Sept 16, 2017 19:16:25 GMT -5
LOL, breaking a carbide bit in wood. Torque much?
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Post by jspearm1983 on Sept 16, 2017 19:58:52 GMT -5
Haha. I was actually using a pin vise when it happened. I have a hard time making sure everything is lined up while at the same time twisting the pin vise in. The pin vise I use is the one with the big black handle on it. Maybe the size and weight of the handle is having an effect on my ability to twist the bit into the wood while lined up? Most likely I'm just rushing it.
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Sept 16, 2017 20:09:14 GMT -5
Best pin vise ever.
General brand I believe.
Might be too tight of a drill bit?
Gotta handle it somewhat gingerly... make sure you pull out at least once or twice to clear the shavings.
I pull out with the hole facing down to clear the shavings easier.
Somewhat of a testament to the durability of the jig that the bushing did not budge but the bit broke.
Dont think of it as drilling a hole... as much as cutting a circle to depth in the piece of wood.
Pressure vs. revolutions matters.
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Post by jspearm1983 on Sept 16, 2017 20:15:38 GMT -5
Best pin vise ever. General brand I believe. Might be too tight of a drill bit? Gotta handle it somewhat gingerly... make sure you pull out at least once or twice to clear the shavings. I pull out with the hole facing down to clear the shavings easier. Somewhat of a testament to the durability of the jig that the bushing did not budge but the bit broke. It's a #43 bit. This was all operator error on my part. I wasn't taking my time and tried to twist and push while it wasn't lined up. I already ordered another bit off Amazon, and it should be here Tuesday. I think this is still somewhat on the thread topic. I'm using #43 to drill because that's what Micro says to use, but I'm going to be using stock axles from BSA on these builds (school fundraiser doesn't allow for better axles). I think box BSA axles need #44, so I'll put a small drop of water on each axle when I insert it. I've heard that will swell the wood and make a tight fit. - That's what she said. |
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Sept 16, 2017 20:18:02 GMT -5
I edited my post slightly Jared.
No need for water...
I drill with the clear jig at #43 and really clear the hole for .092"
So.. after I drill... I drill again.
For scout axles... just don't drill again.
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Sept 16, 2017 21:15:06 GMT -5
Best pin vise ever. General brand I believe. Might be too tight of a drill bit? Gotta handle it somewhat gingerly... make sure you pull out at least once or twice to clear the shavings. I pull out with the hole facing down to clear the shavings easier. Somewhat of a testament to the durability of the jig that the bushing did not budge but the bit broke. It's a #43 bit. This was all operator error on my part. I wasn't taking my time and tried to twist and push while it wasn't lined up. I already ordered another bit off Amazon, and it should be here Tuesday. I think this is still somewhat on the thread topic. I'm using #43 to drill because that's what Micro says to use, but I'm going to be using stock axles from BSA on these builds (school fundraiser doesn't allow for better axles). I think box BSA axles need #44, so I'll put a small drop of water on each axle when I insert it. I've heard that will swell the wood and make a tight fit. - That's what she said. I have purchased all sorts of bits for the right fit... in multiples of each... even #43 bits will be slightly different from each other... i tried wire guage and stuff like that... long ones... stubby ones... can't remember which ones fit the best... I just try to fit them they the bushing and use the one that is the tightest. Be be sure to let the shavings out..especially if it is a stubby bit... I actually pushed out a bushing on a drill jig from another vendor before because I did not clear out the shavings. |
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Jan 9, 2018 23:52:08 GMT -5
I received my clear jig last weekend, and finally got around to drilling a couple blocks last night. I used a pin vise and took MB's advice of securing the body with a blank drill rod when drilling the second hole. The results were amazing and the alignment looks to be absolutely perfect on both bodies I drilled! I have recently changed my style for drilling a car... These days I use the Clear Jig with a hand drill rather than a pin vise. |
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Post by Vitamin K on Jan 10, 2018 8:57:11 GMT -5
I received my clear jig last weekend, and finally got around to drilling a couple blocks last night. I used a pin vise and took MB's advice of securing the body with a blank drill rod when drilling the second hole. The results were amazing and the alignment looks to be absolutely perfect on both bodies I drilled! I have recently changed my style for drilling a car... These days I use the Clear Jig with a hand drill rather than a pin vise. I bet all the top guys are using Micro's "secure the other side with a pin gage" method now. |
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