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Post by Chuy on Feb 23, 2018 13:14:49 GMT -5
So, the 4x6 setup is actually a little more weight +0.099 oz (4.0560 oz. total). If I put that 0.099oz in the middle (row 4), it is a 0.15% advantage. Here is a quick little spreadsheet I built for it
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Post by Ember on Feb 23, 2018 16:38:19 GMT -5
I like it Chuy...I was wondering why the 4 slot was only a 1 multiple, but I can see in your drawling that you calculated that location for the starting energy and leverage values, multiplying as needed up and down from there.I'm wondering how the difference in leverage values on the slope, effect things as they go through the curve and transition into a 1 to 1 value in the flat. But I think that's going to the idea of having your weight as compact as possible.
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Post by Chuy on Feb 27, 2018 19:01:02 GMT -5
Ember, what do you think? It's upside down btw. 5.5gr body
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Post by Ember on Feb 27, 2018 19:52:37 GMT -5
Looks great Chuy !....nice concentrated small block motor with no lateral or rearward leverage. I haven't seen an advantage with weights in the spur. I'm not sure if you can see through the tape, but this years car with the yellow wheels has 2 cubes in the spur, the red car has one cube in the spur. Neither one are particularly fast. Attachments:
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Post by Eagle on Feb 27, 2018 22:18:41 GMT -5
Chuy, Why wouldn't you put all 6 of the cubes currently in front of the axle at the rear of the car?
Then you could leave the single in the center or move it forward and to the side needed for perfect balance on the rears.
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Feb 27, 2018 22:20:53 GMT -5
I think that once all the wheels are on it and it is flipped upside down... you will have a bigger weight bias going.
Do you have a full weight on one side?
is that wood cover laser etched?
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Post by Professor Moriarty on Feb 27, 2018 22:22:02 GMT -5
Eagle, Too much weight in the rear makes for an unstable car.
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Post by Eagle on Feb 27, 2018 22:35:42 GMT -5
That's what they said about another product I see. I was told that you want the car to balance 1" in front of the rear axle. But, after being here on the forum it appears as though it is all you can get to the rear and balance with any extra needed. We have no picture or description of where the car balances. Without a track I'm not sure how you would check for stability. But, I would test both.
As long as the rear wheels are centered and the DFW doesn't lift over the guide rail, what is this whole stability thing anyway?
When I used to race we had to do a lot of balancing. But, these cars remind me more of a dragster. The more HP you can get to the ground the better. It is a short run. And, if you watch those cars they don't look very stable.
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Post by jspearm1983 on Feb 27, 2018 23:01:01 GMT -5
The difference in the CoG on a car racing in a proxy league can be more aggressive (more towards the rear axle) than a car going down a scout or awana track that isn't in perfect condition.
For scouts, I would want the CoG at least 0.625" in front of the rear axle.
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Post by Ember on Feb 27, 2018 23:30:38 GMT -5
Eagle :Stability is very important with these cars, too much leverage behind the wheels and you're SOL. The issue is the weight is in the rear, which can be tricky to keep in a straight line. Imagine throwing a Javelin, picture one end having a 5 pound tip on it. If you threw it with the weighted end at the front it would be pretty stable. Now try throwing it with the weighted end in the back, how stable would it be?
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Post by Eagle on Feb 27, 2018 23:32:45 GMT -5
jspearm1983 what CoG for proxy league?
As to CoG at our race everyone, and I do mean everyone was running weight on the bottom of the body. Most, the whole length of the car. Some had two layers the whole length of the car. With all cars being equally weighted on the same scale, I was a little concerned that they new something I didn't. But, I also thought they were extremely brave. I thought for sure some of them would drag somewhere on the track. But, from the first practice runs our slowest car was out running last years champ.
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Post by Ember on Feb 27, 2018 23:47:03 GMT -5
I was playing around with placing a 3 cube slab weight at different locations at the rear of the car. The white dots represent the center mass of the weight. I placed it across the car behind the axle, and across the car in front of the axle.Placing the weight longitudinal along the side with it hanging over the car represents the same motor as the slab going across the back of the car, but adds lateral bias.The same with in front of the axle. I had the weight in six different locations in total, two with a lateral bias to the left, two with a lateral bias to the right, one with no lateral bias with rear leverage , and one with no lateral bias with forward leverage.I used double sided tape to hold the weight in place,and didn't re-lube through the process. So what do you think the results were?
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Post by jspearm1983 on Feb 27, 2018 23:51:45 GMT -5
jspearm1983 what CoG for proxy league? As to CoG at our race everyone, and I do mean everyone was running weight on the bottom of the body. Most, the whole length of the car. Some had two layers the whole length of the car. With all cars being equally weighted on the same scale, I was a little concerned that they new something I didn't. But, I also thought they were extremely brave. I thought for sure some of them would drag somewhere on the track. But, from the first practice runs our slowest car was out running last years champ. I've run 0.375" in league races. Some might be even more aggressive.
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Post by Eagle on Feb 28, 2018 0:16:52 GMT -5
Ember, seems like a bit of a trick question. The weight is part or all of the weight in the car?
If aero is a factor you would think it would be faster with the weight front to rear then side to side.
Reviewing this forum I would guess the weight across the back would be the fastest.
But, my experience tells me that the middle picture (weight across body in front of the axle) was the fastest.
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Post by Chuy on Feb 28, 2018 0:58:03 GMT -5
I think that once all the wheels are on it and it is flipped upside down... you will have a bigger weight bias going. Do you have a full weight on one side? is that wood cover laser etched? Flipped it, bias stayed the same. The right rear has a full weight. The cover is just sanded down paper thin, I will cover top and bottom with monokote
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